Dr. Greg Bahnsen and Dr. Gordon Stein debated this question at the University of This debate has influenced a large number of people. This is the famous formal debate between Dr. Bahnsen and atheist promoter Dr. Gordon Stein held at the university of California (Irvine) in Hear how hard. Greg L. Bahnsen (September 17, – December 11, ) was an American Calvinist The debate with Stein marked one of the earliest uses of a transcendental argument for the existence of God (TAG). In a controversy emerged.

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The atheists worldview cannot account for the laws of logic, cannot account for any universal or abstract entities for that mater, cannot account of the uniformity of nature, and therefore cannot account for the successes of science.

The laws of logic you see are abstract.

In the end what you think the laws of logic are will determine the nature of evidence that you will suggest for them. Does he use the kind of logic that we can demonstrate, that we can test? Stein is speaking of, as abstract entities, that is to say, none individual or universal in character, they are not materialistic. Supposing I say that my dog can talk in complete sentences. Although the analogy that was used by Dr. The atheist worldview is irrational and cannot consistently provide the preconditions of intelligible experience, science, logic, or morality.

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That is, how does he prove that strin or reason is the only way to prove factual statements? A long time ago. He is not presuppositionally neutral in his approach to factual questions and disputes.

Influences Cornelius Van TilR. And If morality can be stipulated than of course Marquis de Sade can stimulate his own. Okay, the subject of his doctoral dissertation in at Ohio State. I would say… Dr. Stein Question and Answer 1 Dr. The Argument from Miracles Then we have the argument from miracles.

Do steiin have any other sources? Do you agree with Hume?

Greg Bahnsen vs. Gordon Stein debate – Conservapedia

We can, as I will say in my closing statement, this does not leave us in a bleak and horrible world. We are told with god that all things are possible. Rushdoony and soon came to admire the latter’s strong Calvinistic convictions.

We want to spread reason and thinking and progress bagnsen science.

Greg Bahnsen

If god wanted man to believe in him, man or women, people, he could, all he would have to do is put in an appearance before a group of people, especially a group of atheists. I want to suggest to you, one more time that Dr.

He says that laws of logic are the same everywhere. They know this God and they surprise the truth about him.

Does God Exist? Bahnsen vs Stein (Debate Transcript)

In steih, I will join him in refuting those other conceptions of God. For within the theistic worldview there can be abstract, universal, invariant entities such as the laws of logic. He says the case is unproven not disproven. These are apparently inflictions of the creator himself. Stein has mentioned logical binds and logical self-contradictions, bahneen says that he holds that the laws of logic are universal but however they are conventional in nature.

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Then we come to the ontological argument one of the most difficult ones to explain to people, but basically it says god is by definition perfect.

So that the lack of having a god is in no way detrimental to logic and to having laws in an atheist universe. Why in a world stei is random, not subject to personal order as I believe Christian God. And not just to me, to anyone.

The topic was Does God Exist? There is to be nothing, he says, which smacks of begging the question or circular reasoning. No you did not use the argument but you used the results of the argument. What would they be? Our concern is with the objective merits of the case which can be made for atheism or Christian theism not related, subjective, or personal matters. Utopia — A Nightmare Scenario Socialism.

In that way anyone would believe in him except a fool. Stein has said the laws of science are law like because of the inherit character of matter. He writes ad I quote:.

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